Nobody had better say anything derogatory about Pastor Butler to my face.

Butler is a symbol of everything that went wrong with our movement over the past 50 years. He was a wealthy, educated, intelligent man who could have become a national leader. Instead he slinked off to a "compound" where he fantasized about revolution and entertained a small group of weirdos, malcontents, petty criminals, sleazy whores and costumed buffoons. As long as he was in charge of his own little Nazi neverland, it didn't matter that the white public was disgusted and offended by the freak show he attracted. When he ran for mayor of his town last year, he recieved 50 votes out of over 2000 cast. His white neighbors repudiated him and his movement, which will likely die with him because he was never able to groom a legitimate successor. We need fewer "pastors", "commanders" and playtime Hitlers and more men who can articulate our vision in a way that attracts the white public. But you know that already, Billy.

I agree. Whatever a person's religious views, if he opposes the Jews and the Blacks, then we should show him some respect.

Again Franco that is what I respect about you, you realize race is the most important thing, and those who fight white are important also. To many people want factions instead of a unified movement.

What I don’t understand is why atheists and pagans agree while hating Christians since atheists should hate all religion.

Anyway for any non-Christian would you rather live in an all white Christian community or a Pagan or Atheist black community.

They make the argument that Christians put their religions before their race, but I don’t know any racists that don’t put something before their race (jobs, family, possessions ect) so that argument is vain.

I agree. I had the honor to meet Pastor Butler last January, and the man was awesome in the true sense of that word. Even though he was old and physically infirm, he still commanded the respect of everyone who knew him and retained a keen sense of humor.

That warms my heart to see people like you that are big enough to put differences aside for the good of their race. To me that shows that you care more about your race than you care about personal ideologies that may conflict with someone else.

I think most people don't realize that if your white 99.9999% chance you have likely XIAN Ancestors, and most white people are XIAN.

People don’t understand that. In an area where 999 out of 1,000 people are Christians if I came out as a pagan or atheist and then a racist I would be a laughing stock.

However as a Christian (which I am racist or no) I am not dumping all over the heritage of this area, as it was settled by Christian Germans and Celts.

I don’t think people understand that and that is why a lot of people don’t further themselves.

People think I am trying to convert VNNF’ers to Christianity but I am trying to show them (for their own good) the importance religion plays in race and fighting for your race.

In a country founded on Christianity and dominated by Christians anything Anti-Christian isn’t going to get far.

I don’t think anyone could disagree.

I had the honor to meet Pastor Butler at the White Revolution "Brown vs. Topeka" Rally in May. It was indeed an honor to meet this great man and those were my first words to Pastor Butler "It's an honor to meet you". Pastor Butler simply said "Thank you", and then went on to talk to me like we were old friends.

Later, after the Rally, I had the honor to have Pastor Butler as a guest in my home. When Pastor Butler was being interviewed by the Swiss Film Co. Horizon Films - they would ask a question and Pastor would respond for 10 minutes. Though he was visibly somewhat frail his mind was as sharp as a tack.

Indeed, Pastor Butler was a great man. When in his presence you felt it. I mourn this great and humble man's passing. I have the deepest respect for this man for his life's work for our race and nation.

I salute you Pastor Richard Butler - our fallen Comrade!

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I agree. I had the honor to meet Pastor Butler last January, and the man was awesome in the true sense of that word. Even though he was old and physically infirm, he still commanded the respect of everyone who knew him and retained a keen sense of humor. Even though I don't share his Christian Identity theology, I was actually moved to tears by the speech he gave at the Aryanfest gathering. If there is a god, then Richard Butler is surely one of his true prophets. I hope (against logic) that he is finally at peace with his White Jesus in his Aryan Israel. But in any event, may he rest in peace.

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Well said Rich, your decency and kindness towards one of our own is moving.

Norcal is right that "unity at all costs" is an error. It's really an empty slogan. That doesnt mean that we cant have some in group civility however and that is what is lacking when somebody carries on like this in an offensive way. Norcal should recognize that Butler gave his life in service of his race, even if he was in error about some things, and now at the end of his life we should accord that some due respect by deferring or at least segregating our critical examinations from the condolences.

I agree. Whatever a person's religious views, if he opposes the Jews and the Blacks, then we should show him some respect.

[In fact, I am personally sort of angry about the anti-Butler and/or anti-AN comments here, to tell the truth. Butler was a long-time activist].

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Gotta agree with you there. I felt so bad about his death I had to go to bed early last night. Speaking ill of a pro-white deceased person is a cowardly thing to do. Pastor Butler deserves to be remembered as a Pro-White activist who never gave up. Forget the CI stuff. Let's all hope we live as long a life as he did to spread the White word. Any elderly man who dragged the flag of israel through the streets behind a pickup truck is certainly an ally- religous preferences nonwithstanding.

"Unity at all costs" means "unity" at the lowest common denominator. Mental cases, "racists" who are themselves Wiggers,

There is a difference between freedom of religion and unity at all costs.

Whiggers are lowlifes that hate the very color of their skin, and to accept junkies and homosexuals and things of that nature would destroy any organization or community.

But here you are comparing Christian business owners, family men and leaders of their community to lowlife people that cannot even hold a job. That is stupid and flawed.

There is a difference between a Christian that lives in a $250,000 home with a profitable business and a drug addled whigger.

Nowhere did I say allow whiggers into the movement, but I will say upstanding Christians are an asset to the movement, do you disagree?

Question for you, Doc:
Would you rather live in an Aryan Heathen community that prohibits the Bible, or a multi-racial community that worships Jewhovah? Those are your only two choices, pick one.

Aryan Heathen community, now answer my question. You would probably rather live in the atheist black community.

Hating Niggers and hating Jews is not -- repeat, IS NOT -- synonymous with "loving your race." It never has been and never will be.

I agree there, I don’t recall ever saying anything contrary.

I ally myself ONLY with pro-Aryan Racialists, who recognize Hitler as an Avatar, and who recognize, despite past allegiance to it while in ignorance, that the Jew Bible is a tool of the Enemy.

Well I got half of it right, but you cannot claim allegiance to Hitler and not recognize the importance he held on Christianity. While not getting into the “Hitler is Christian� argument anyone would have to admit he thought it was important, and he didn’t close any Christian congregations during the height of his power.

And of those 999 Christians, 998 would consider you WORSE THAN A CHILD-MOLESTOR to be a Jew-hater.

Your point?

That was stupid, since I am a minister here and have ministered at several congregations. As an open racist minister that doesn’t go hide in a compound with 20 followers, I am respected because I know the bible. I have never had someone call me a child molester. Actually I am discovering congregations here to be more racist than I originally thought.

The "Christian moral majority" in America are also JEW-LOVERS. Nice allies you've got, Doc.

That is what the Jews media tells us, so keep on believing that. Since I go to church often I know from real experience that to be a lie.

As for the argument America was founded on Christinsanity, how stupid. More than any other man, America was founded on the ideas of Thomas Jefferson, who was NOT a Christian.

America was founded on freedom of religion, and every time you mention it someone has to drag out Thomas Jefferson, who was religious. But America was geared towards Christianity even though every single person wasn’t a Christian. You want to take away freedom of religion and there is no society that can function normally if it dictates how people worship.

Norcal is right that "unity at all costs" is an error. It's really an empty slogan.

I never said that, there are lines but we don’t have to be in 100% agreement. For example I would be more of a rural survivalist, in a highly religious area. Could someone that has lived in New York come here and their street skills help them here? Yeah there is no plan that works all the time.

Butler ALLOWED himself to be a target for shysters like Morris Sleaze.
Did the Jews "break" Dr. Pierce? Nope.
Your argument fails.

Pierce was a sharp college educated businessman that appealed to the wealthier class]Despite his stupidity here on Earth, I hope Butler is now having coffee with Hitler, and Adolf der Grosse can show him where he went wrong with the Jew Bible.

Since Hitler was a Christian I am sure they are.

Farewell great sir

http://www.faughaballagh.com/~ted/audio/arnations.rm

Above is a talk of pastor butler recently when he spoke live on an Radio Talk Show in Dublin Ireland!!

I am not religious but at leats pastor butler did spread the word of WN and it makes me sick to the teeth that norcalnative1971 slags him off for it.

who has done more for WN Pastor Butler or norcalnative1971?

why does norcalnative1971 not start up a WN group and show us all how its done, maybe he will destroy ZOG in USA in a few years flat? or maybe he just sits at home posting on here and doing nothing to promote WN himself.

Hail Butler

What distinguishes the White man from the jew or the mud?

It is his White civility..............this is something uniquely White and comes from White cultural antiquity.

It is the natural tendency of the true White man to aspire to the noble stature of gentleman. We are not animals, we are White.

The jew and the nigger will kick a man when he is down...........the White man will not, especially if the downed man be one of our own.

If there is disagreement between White Brothers...............we keep it to ourselves and grant those we disagree with, the favor of biting our tongue that begs to lash out. This is the mark of the strong White man.

When speaking of the dead White Brothers of whom he disagrees with, the weak White man litters his eulogy with his own inadequacies for the world to see.........and he is actually saying the words that one day will be said of him.

Norcalnative

Pastor Butler was most definately Christian. However Pastor Bulter was accepting of pro-White advocates, both Christian and non-Christian. Pastor Butler put race first !!

Your personal views on CI is your business. I'm not supporting or condemning CI. I can assure you that Pastor Butler fought for the race as hard as anyone past or present. Please show Pastor Butler the respect he deserves.

Never knew the guy. Saw him on UK TV a few times. As far as I am concerned , I will use the Frank Sinatra song, 'I DID IT MY WAY' to describe him.

His methods weren't 'my cup of tea'. But he firmly believed he was doing the right thing. Sure, his way was embarassing to many.

I don't care about the anti-christians on here, in their anti-christian rants either.

My race is my religion, first !

Pastor Butler was white, and it was his own decision to do, as he thought fit.

May he rest in peace.

My thoughts are with his family and friends.

Thanks for posting the link to this interview with Pastor Butler. It is a real gem! Do you know when the interview was done?

Farewell great sir

http://www.faughaballagh.com/~ted/audio/arnations.rm

Above is a talk of pastor butler recently when he spoke live on an Radio Talk Show in Dublin Ireland!!

I am not religious but at leats pastor butler did spread the word of WN and it makes me sick to the teeth that norcalnative1971 slags him off for it.

who has done more for WN Pastor Butler or norcalnative1971?

why does norcalnative1971 not start up a WN group and show us all how its done, maybe he will destroy ZOG in USA in a few years flat? or maybe he just sits at home posting on here and doing nothing to promote WN himself.

Hail Butler

Yeh, good one NorCal

Depends on how much their Christinsanity interferes with good judgment.

Like the “Jews are chosen� doctrine. There is always going to be a perversion in any ideology, political beliefs or religion no matter how it is taught. There will always be factions, learn to keep these factions fighting the common enemy and stop fighting each other and you will have success. Hitler did this not by controlling religion or devising a cult, he taught them to fight the common enemy and be clean cut men and women.

This would include Christians and discount deviants like drug users and perverts.

Would the Christians want to stone me to death for not accepting your Jewish "god"?

Well see how easily I answered the question, you cannot answer. So the answer is you would live in a place full of groids.

As for your question about stoning. I want to throw rocks at you and I actually like you. Imagine a community of people that didn’t like you, so I would say you wouldn’t have a chance.

Besides it was Jews not Christians that stoned people, ironically they are doing the same today just with drugs instead of rocks.

As your insistence that Hitler was a Christian is based on material from 1923/1925 and my knowledge of Hitler's later rejection of it is based on material from 1943, my rejection of Christinsanity and my embrace of Hitler are hardly incompatible.

Highly debatable, but has been hashed out enough.

If I were dictator, I certainly would not come down with a hammer quickly on lukewarm Christians, who are 75% of them. Conversion of non-traitorous Christians would have to occur over time, primarily by educating their children into Aryan ways.

You will never be a dictator as it is unlikely a dictatorship would be possible in America. You want complete control over the minds of the people, you have failed before you have started. Go start a cult and brainwash your minions.

Christianity would have to, however, be "phased out" as rapidly and progressively as possible.

been tried unsuccessfully, will never happen.

These people are "racist" in the sense of the Klansmen who fought against Germany were "racist."

The Klan saved America.

I doubt more than a handful would agree that the "People of the Book" would have to leave an Aryan society, since "Jews are rich, successful, and Jesus was a Jew."

Under a racist society, that would be the law. Hitler ousted the Jews without having to oust the Christians. And remember Jews held most of the money in Germany at that time. You are making assumptions that are not true nor feasible.

Again, I have little use for people who are merely Nigger-haters. Any low-life can be a Nigger-hater. It takes a quality being to be an Aryan Racialist.

I am not sure what you mean here but I agree with you. Do you think I don’t or what clarify that.

Communism is a religion. Do you advocate "freedom" for that, too? Interracism is a religion. Do you advocate "freedom" for that, too?

Communism is a form of government, and interracism is a perversion, or a fialed ideology.

Your concept of religion would disqualify you from any success you will ever hope to have.

People should be free to worship as they wish, provided their "religion" is NOT an ENEMY IDEOLOGY, including Christinsanity. If people want to be Vedists, Wotanists, Romuvans, Gaians, Druids, or just plain National/Natural Socialists, I don't really care.

People should be free to worship provided their religion is first approved by B.F Norcal. I would like to dictate everyone’s religious beliefs but it would never work. You are insane if you think it will.

America was founded by Deists, whose "religion" was an early form of what the SS promoted, "Believers in God." I am a "Believer in God," the Original Ancient One, Uralten, of our far in the past ancestors. The same Being Jefferson called "Nature's God" in the Declaration.

Ok keep telling yourself that and I am sure you will believe it, that is why they burned pagans at the stake.

Pierce appealed to the intelligent class, rich or poor.

If they had a check.

Butler took in whatever walking, talking trash would listen and accept his delusions about religion, that Aryans are "Israelites" and the Jew Bible was an "Aryan" book. Anyone who could accept such insanity has, by definition, a mental or intellectual defect, even if only just plain ignorance.

The bible teaches that. You believe I what the Jews have taught you about the bible.

Butler's age had nothing to do with it, he did not change his ways from his earlier years. He preached lunacy, and lunatics flocked to him. His intentions were good, but his "plan" was a failure, to say the least.

There is a lot of difference in fighting a battle at 70 as compared to 30.

I'm glad you acknowledge that Hitler is now teaching Butler his errors about the Jew Book, your Bible.

Yeah he is telling Butler he should have been Catholic.

It it with deep regret that I have learned of Pastor Butlers passing. My regret was however eased my the serene and tranquil circumstancesof his passing.
As one who has seen more than one loved one go out under exttremely rough and nearly horrifying circumstances, and been there in person at the moment of death, I know how important this is.
Despite countless attempts by our races enemies to entrap him, and despite the countless other WN leaders who allowed themselves to exercise very poor judgment concerning this, the pastor,a man of towering intellect AND street smarts,did not allow himself to fall prey to these jackals and left us having been a free man for every day of his long life.
Leadership is key, without it,all of ouir physical strength, beauty, intellect and even courage will get us nowhere. If we are to prove victorious, we must draw more men and women of the Pastors stature, rare as that may be, to our standards.

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